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As I was thinking, on last week's episode, we talked to Bud Hopkins, and he mentioned

Whitley Streber, that Whitley Streber had genuine encounters, and there was all sorts of

nonsense around it.

And that goes back to what I said earlier about maybe some of the contactees out there once had a genuine experience of one sort or another, maybe more than

one. And then they either embellished it when the fans wanted more, where the fans helped them

embellish it. And that just contributes to the entire mess. People always contribute to the mess, Gene.

I mean, it's...

That's what I'm here for.

We are people.

We are here to make it messy.

Well, it's a messy world, right?

And reality is messy.

The nature of reality is just messy.

It's a mess.

Everything's a mess.

But we knew that.

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