Hey guys and welcome to a mini episode of the

a CD stories at dot com a podcast now as I said to a few of you I wanted to

cover the conference the IsteyF conference which is happening in Washington DC in America right now.

And I wanted to cover it for a few reasons.

One kind of share some highlights and learnings that I've learned and also give you guys a feel for

those that couldn't make it hopefully make you feel a bit more connected to the

OCD community. So you know firstly I think it's a great event, the ISTEF and put on another

fantastic conference. Everyone seems to be in a good mood, ready to learn, the topics covering a wide range of issues from many different angles.

So I think that's been really good to see and everyone I've spoken to has enjoyed it and seems to be learning a lot.

And obviously I'm grateful to everyone I've met

and everyone I've spoken to about the podcast and I see generally.

So thanks to those guys, hopefully meet more of you

over the coming days and years to the rest of you listening.

But here's a few kind of highlights that came up for me.

I won't necessarily quote the psychologist or therapists.

I just share some of learnings and obviously I couldn't go to every talk, there's many

talks going on, but from what I got here's a few points, hopefully you guys will like. So the first

one was, you know, with the IP, the idea of doing a step ladder or a hierarchy of exposures. One therapist, I think he was quoting

John Abramovitz and John calls it a task list. So instead of calling it a hierarchy which kind of sounds at

something a bit more scary obviously hierarchical he says call it a task list it's

just something it has to get done and it's something it has to get done on the way to the life you want to live and I thought that was quite cool so I wanted to share that.

The same guy also quoted John talking about the openness scale.

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