Since its launch in 2018, extinction rebellion has transformed the scale and possibilities

of UK climate activism, and in doing so, made the climate crisis a central issue of British politics.

Now, in a seemingly significant shift in strategy, the group has temporarily paused its campaign

of public disruption. Instead, it says it's prioritising relationships over roadblocks

and is working towards what it's calling the big one, mobilising 100,000 people to

surround the House's parliament from the 21st of April to demand action on the climate crisis.

Meanwhile, other groups are continuing a range of strategies, throwing super paintings,

rocking roads, occupying fossil fuel infrastructure and deflating SUV tires. But what's actually

working when it comes to bringing about the end of the fossil fuel era? And what's it

even possible to achieve? I'm Claire Heimer, a commissioning

editor at Navarra Media, and joining me to discuss these questions are three climate activists

from different parts of the climate movement. Claire Farrell, a co-founder of extinction rebellion,

Rachel Bossler, an activist with just stop oil, an offshoot of XR which remains committed

to tactics of public disruption, and Alice Swift, an activist with Enda Galenda, a German

direct action group, most famous for occupying coal mines.

So I'm sure everyone tuning into this podcast will be well aware of the magnitude of what

we're up against when it comes to climate breakdown. I wanted to start by asking each

of you. Do you remember the first time that the scale of the climate crisis really dawned

on you and you thought, I really need to do something about this? Claire, do you want

to start? It's an ongoing journey really coming to terms with how fucked this situation is.

I don't know that I could say there is a time when I had a realization because all of

my work since studying has been towards, you know, sustainability invested an enormous

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