Not the Last Net Assessment

War on the Rocks

News, Politics

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🗓️ 11 April 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

In this joint episode with the Net Assessment crew, recorded last week on "Liberation Day," Ryan joins Chris, Zack, and Melanie to talk about what's happening in the world as well as the future of Net Assessment, which is moving on to its forever home with the Stimson Center.

If you would like to support Net Assessment, please consider donating to this special fund. https://www.stimson.org/support/

We also feature a trailer from a series of panels convened by former Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, which you can listen to in full on his podcast, Defending Democracy. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/defending-democracy-with-malcolm-turnbull/id1674095396

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0:00.0	Before we get started with the episode, I want to tell you a bit about a special event that Malcolm Turnbull, the former Prime Minister of Australia, had down under recently.
0:10.0	And War on the Rocks, of course, were concerned with the United States and its allies, and I think it's worth drawing attention to this discussion of how a key ally, Australia, is thinking about its relationship with America moving forward. Whether you agree or
0:21.8	disagree with it, I think it's important. The panels from this event are featured on Malcolm's
0:25.3	podcast, Defending Democracy, which you can listen to on any podcast app. And here's a trailer from that
0:30.6	first episode. For 80 years, we've regarded our great ally, the United States of America, as having shared values and shared interests.
0:40.3	Well, not all interests were aligned all the time, but certainly we felt the values were.
0:47.3	So how do we in Australia recalibrate? Certainly we need to do more, be more resilient and independent.
0:53.3	And yet, with an exquisitely bad timing, decisions in recent years have made us far more
0:59.2	dependent on America, just as America was becoming less dependable, not through weariness
1:05.0	or neglect, but now by deliberate design.
1:08.4	I think those three assumptions on which our entire foreign policy is based are false.
1:13.3	And Donald Trump is proving it to be false, but we should have recognized they were false
1:17.0	long before he got back into office.
1:19.7	To say that Australia is not well positioned is an understatement.
1:23.7	It is a dog-eat-dog world.
1:25.6	I think our policy playbook has been disrupted,
1:28.7	but it's not being completely torn up.
1:31.4	Critical question, I think, is also whether we are facing now with Trump 2.0,
1:37.1	is it an aberration, or is it a seismic eight on the Richter scale of international relations?
1:43.0	We really do need to get on the offensive by reimagining and planning for greater strategic
1:48.5	resilience and competitiveness and by accelerating and pursuing new trade agreements,
1:53.9	rethinking regional groupings and engaging more and with those with whom our interests align.
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