I hate to say it and I try to avoid thinking about it when I'm training because it's so messed up but it's a filthy dirty sport.

Welcome to the Runners Connect Run to the Top podcast where it's all about learning from the best and most inspiring minds

in the sport.

So together, we can train a smarter, healthier, and faster running community.

Now here's your host, Tina Muir.

Hello, this is Tina Muir.

Thank you so much for joining me for the latest episode of the Rannas Connect,

run to the top podcast. I just want to thank you quickly for taking this time to listen to this episode.

You know, I know you could do a hundred other things with your time, so thanks so much. I truly appreciate it.

So last week we talked to Ethan Newbury, aka Ginger Rana, who gave us all a bit of a kick to kind of wake up and go after your dreams and never let anyone tell you that you can't do something.

It was pretty inspiring.

Today we have an episode I've actually been looking forward to

for quite a while. I always thought about bringing him on the show but to be

honest I wasn't sure I would ever be able to get through to him. He just seemed so busy and I kind of felt like a little

bit of a schoolgirl trying to chase down a celebrity. Actually kind of how I felt when I chased

it after Brian from Backstreet Boys when I saw him in the airport a few months ago.

But maybe not quite that bad.

Anyway, Nick Simmons has always been someone I could tell other runners respected and listen to and I really admired that he was always so honest and just true to who he was.

Now I pride myself on being honest but Nick takes it to a whole new level and he really

doesn't beat around the bush about anything he says how it is even when it's

about difficult topics like how USATF runs things or doping or you know you're going to hear more today. So before I tell you too much, let's just dive right in.

After a word from Induropax, we'll be right to the interview.

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