McCost's show, my special guest is Kara Swisher.

You just don't know how long.

I've been trying to land this plane.

The eagle has landed.

Yeah, I dressed for you.

I dressed for you.

Sorry, we were trying to figure out Google Calendar here, and Jim had an issue.

I had a major issue, and I guess we could just start talking about that. No, I don't want to. You're bad at Google Calendar? I'm bad at Google Calendar. I'm bad at a lot of things, but the technologies would be one of them. So over the course of this, and I won't hold you up for too long, but over the course of this little episode, you can just sort me through all these tech issues.

But no, no, but seriously, thank you for doing this. And you've got to forgive me for being a news guy, Kara. You know how, first of I should say, Kara, of course, host the on with Kara Swisher podcast, the pivot podcast with Scott Galloway. And a little later, I'll speak with Liz, well, you're the former partner attorney over the Justice Department. But you know, you have to forgive me. I'm the news guy here. We're now a podcast guy who was a news guy. Yeah, how are you liking it? May I ask, first of all, how do you like freedom? I, I love it. Do you tell you, you would? You did tell me I would. It is, it is absolutely freeing. And for a while there, I was still putting stuff in my hair and putting on TV makeup. I was like, well, why am I doing all that? Screw that. I can just do whatever the hell I want. Yeah. That's what I've been doing. Yeah. Yeah. But it's been great. And but old habits die hard. And you know, the other thing, too, is like at the beginning of this adventure, I was like, you know, maybe I should travel around and stuff. But then Trump and Elon Musk were blowing up the world. And I thought, well, I have to do what I do. But you can do it from anywhere. You sound great. You're in Aspen right now, right? And one of the I'm in Aspen right now, I have my- Critical is you keep your reporting skills the same. That doesn't change. It's such a canard that people who do this are lesser, some are lesser than, that's for sure. But, yeah. Well, and when you're also kind of one of those guys, and I grew up as a local news reporter and then a general

Simon correspondent and all that. You kind of learn all these little tricks of the trade and you

put little tools in your tool belt. But anyway, I want to talk about media in a little bit,

but you have to forgive the news guy here. And I did see you were making some comments about

Trump's freak out over the Epstein

files. I got to start there. I don't know if you saw this, but he's now posted on truth social,

his latest freak out. What is it? And he is saying, and we can show this to the viewers,

their new scam. He's talking about the Democrats is what we will forever call the Epstein hoax.

And my past supporters, he put that in capital hours. My past supporters have bought into this

bullshit hook, line and sinker. I can say shit a whole lot more in this new format as well, Carrie.

I don't know if you know that. But I see that. You know, the Jeffrey Epstein hooks. Nobody believes this. Nobody buys this. His own supporters don't buy this. Marjorie Taylor Green doesn't buy this. By Johnson, the speaker doesn't buy this. What does it do? Your sense of this? What is going on? Well, I still, I'm sort of fixated on his cognitive decline, which I think is just clear. I mean, just real. Was it he he, he, he, he, he, he wasn't important of life, whatever that sentence was was. We have that sound bite too, which we can play as well. Yeah. Um, you know, I, you know, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's like a, you know, Biden was kind of the old guy in the nursing home who sort of creaks around and looks older, but he's a little more with it, like has a hard time getting to the salad bar. And he's the vibrant one who's, who's just as gone, who's yelling about the lack of pie. You know what I mean? Right. And there's still a similar thing.

So he's got a lot of vibrancy. But if you compare his just even a year ago or two years, three years ago, it's crazy, the amount of cognitive clients. So I think he doesn't know what to do here because what he's done. And this is interesting because when it first came up, Scott and I had an argument about it where I said, oh, no, this is going to be very resonant because I pay attention online and how much they

have trained their followers to believe in conspiracy theories. That's one. And online conspiracy theories.

They have put them on almost like a heroine of conspiracy theories and kept them there.

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