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With The Perrys

Neither Blue Nor Red: Being a Disciple in a Culture War

With The Perrys

The Perrys

Society & Culture, Christianity, Personal Journals, Withtheperrys, Prestonperry, Religion & Spirituality, Theology, Thirtyminuteswiththeperrys, Jackiehillperry

56.8K Ratings

🗓️ 29 September 2025

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

Social media has been a contentious place after the murder of Charlie Kirk, and the public mourning of his death has felt confusing and concerning for many people. How should we as Christ followers respond in such a polarizing time?

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0:00.0

You want me. Okay, hey, hi, Saint-onates. How are you?

0:10.5

How you doing? We actually never planned these intros, and so I don't even really know what to say other than, you know, I shouldn't use that example for this country.

0:21.7

You were going to say something crazy.

0:23.0

I was about to tell the story about that time I was in Chicago and the house I was in got

0:28.5

robbed and I didn't realize it was a robber.

0:31.0

But I don't know.

0:31.5

It's something about bringing up that story with this conversation that feels a smidge inappropriate.

0:35.9

So we can use that for another conversation. Oh, can we please show that conversation? That was, I mean that, that story is so, it's so funny. I don't want to. So just listen to next week's conversation. And I'll say that one. Okay, no. So, so we have a very special guest. My brother, Justin Gibbity, on, thank you for coming on, bro.

0:58.4

Always a pleasure. So last week I had tweeted because so many people with the Charlie Kirk situation, they were, you know, bickering on, you know, Instagram, threads, Twitter, all the things. And one of the things I tweeted,

1:13.1

I said, Justin Givety is a very good person to follow at this time. Because a lot of people have

1:19.5

questions. And one of the things that we've always recognized from you is you had this beautiful

1:24.0

ability to just give objective truth that isn't swayed by bias or just your

1:31.1

bias opinion, you know, but it's always biblical. And you just kind of navigate this political

1:36.2

space well. And a lot of times you don't see Christians do that. It's always, you know,

1:41.6

one side of the extreme. And so we thought in this most sensitive time

1:45.9

about Charlie Kirk, you know, the way the climate is to have somebody on like you, a person

1:50.4

who believes in scriptures, but also balance. And so thank you for coming on, bro. Thank you. Thanks

1:55.6

for the shoutout. Thanks for the invitation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So many of you know that a couple weeks ago, Charlie Kirk, a young man who is

2:04.9

married with two children, an advocate for the Republican Party who would go to college campuses

2:12.1

and basically have conversations with those that disagree with him, was murdered in front of a crowd,

2:19.2

I think, in Utah. And we all saw it, you know, publicly on our phones and all the things,

2:25.9

which I also think is a part of the issue, is that we're seeing violence lived out, like,

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