A mastermind is not for the host to teach.

The mastermind is for the host to facilitate, to push and prod.

So you want to look at this as a mastermind as there's a shepherd and their sheep.

And your job as a shepherd is to keep the sheep moving up the hill.

And as long as they're doing it together, we're going to believe that the sheep are smart enough to find winds or pastures to graze in.

My guests for today's podcast is long overdue, and she has impressed me for a number of different reasons.

I'm going to tell you maybe the top two reasons. Number one, she knows how to turn around when she's on the stage, because you might see her kind of in the green room and she's super chill and she's talking about how she's an introvert and has certain anxiety.

But when she hits that spotlight, she's a pro and she brings it. All that energy, that passion,

that determination comes through in her voice. And I first saw her at Grove with Video Live at Sean Connell's event.

And I saw her, I'm like, I need to talk to her, but fate would have it, that we're not

going to talk that day.

Funny thing is how the world conspires to help us, I believe.

We meet each other in the green room for something that we're both doing.

We're mentoring some young entrepreneurs for the UPS Inc.

Inc. Magazine Challenge, and we're in the green room. We're chopping it up. And I just have this

weird instant connection. You know how you like meet someone? You feel like I've known you for a

really long time, even though it's their first time talking? Okay, number two, why I'm super

impressed with this lady is she's really brave.

She's like, let's do a podcast together, Chris.

That's not the brave part.

But she's like, come to my house.

We're going to meet there.

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