Hi, it's Andy here and welcome to Radio Headspace, the Friday morning.

I don't know if you ever have a situation in your life where you want to have a conversation

with someone, but it's not an easy conversation. Maybe it's your partner, could be a parent,

child, maybe someone at work. But there's a conversation that kind of needs to be had, but

it's just difficult to kind of get into it. And very often in these situations, one person has

one opinion, perhaps we have another opinion. And so part of our fear or trepidation is knowing

that we're not necessarily going to agree. Because if we're going to agree with the person,

then there's no real fear, right? We have no hesitation at beginning those conversations.

And he was chatting to a friend the other day and he was chatting with his partner about the

potential of moving to a different place, different city, maybe even different country. And anyway,

they were having this conversation. I should point out by the way, as my friends always do to me,

this isn't my friend, like this was me at home and my wife, we weren't having this conversation.

This actually was my friend. Anyway, he was at home having this conversation. He said it was,

it was really difficult to navigate because he had a very strong feeling and a very strong opinion

about it. And he couldn't really imagine changing that opinion equally. He knew that his partner

that they had a very strong opinion. So how do you go into a conversation like that with a genuine

sense of openness and curiosity wanting to explore the subject? Whilst knowing that you don't really

want to change your mind. I feel like that happens actually a lot more in life than we might

necessarily realize. So I think it is a skill and some people naturally seem to have that ability.

They're not necessarily fixed to a particular outcome in conversations and in life and others.

Kind of really struggle with that. When I think about sort of my teachers in the past in meditation,

those people who seem to have done a lot of practice definitely seem a lot more fluid in their

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