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#NATO: IF THE US LEAVES. JUDY DEMPSEY, SENIOR SCHOLAR, CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT FOR INTERNATIONAL PEACE IN BERLIN.

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 24 April 2025

⏱️ 5 minutes

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#NATO: IF THE US LEAVES. JUDY DEMPSEY, SENIOR SCHOLAR, CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT FOR INTERNATIONAL PEACE IN BERLIN.

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0:00.0

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0:06.8

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0:13.0

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0:18.7

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0:33.0

I'm John Batch from visiting with my colleague Judy Dempsey of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

0:35.9

She's in Berlin, a senior scholar. And the NATO meeting

0:39.6

in Europe this summer is, of all the NATO meetings and all the world, I've been told this one,

0:45.9

pay attention. There'll be surprises. The question is, is Germany preparing for the possibility

0:52.1

of the U.S. either stepping back or stepping away.

0:56.2

Is Germany ready to lead?

0:57.6

This is a lot to ask Merz, lead the Bundestag,

1:00.9

and lead all of NATO within several months.

1:05.1

Is that possible?

1:06.1

Is he the man to do it, Judy,

1:07.6

because somebody must lead if the U.S. leaves the room?

1:11.6

The premise that somebody must leave if the U.S. leaves the room. The premise that somebody must leave if the U.S. leaves the room, it's sort of this place.

1:19.6

The U.S. is not going to leave the room.

1:22.6

If it left the room, NATO is finished.

1:24.6

And there'll be enough institutional memory and staff and people

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