This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Batcher with Anatol Leven of the Quincy Institute for Responsible State Crafties in Armenia.

And we're looking to lift the waniah. Look at your map. We're moving a lot from the caucuses all the way to the Baltics.

But lift the waniah along the Belarusian frontier in Vilnius, all the NATO chiefs will meet.

The news now is that NATO boss Jan van Steltenberg has given an extension of a year, maybe 15 months.

And until what are you looking for from this NATO meeting, knowing that they like to write their announcements before they arrive?

Are we looking at more war? Are we looking at negotiations? What?

Well, NATO won't announce negotiations for sure.

I mean, what we're looking at is the extent of NATO commitments to Ukraine.

And of course, whether there is a really set quick path to NATO membership.

And I think probably the answer is that there isn't, because there was a letter signed by lots of American foreign policy people,

think tank people, ex diplomats, which came out yesterday, or the day before I can't remember, which I have to say I found, I found rather bitterly amusing, because it really replicated what was said at the NATO book arrest summit in 2008, which was that Ukraine should be a member of NATO sometime.

We are committed to making Ukraine a member of NATO at some indefinite point in future, which of course covers everybody's back, everybody has committed to NATO membership.

But in effect, it means nothing, because there is no actual process or data attached, which of course lands NATO in any way, so worst of all worlds, because it rules out to compromise with Russia on that basis.

And yet it doesn't give Ukraine anything formal.

And the other thing, of course, to watch out for is what new weapons supplies will be promised to the Ukrainians.

But that, of course, is becoming a bit complicated, firstly, because it's not just a question of giving the Ukrainians the weapons, it's a question of training them, especially in the fighter jets.

But also, the West has depleted a lot of its weapons stocks.

You see, a lot of pushback now from Western European states who say, we can't give you train anymore, because it would reduce our stocks to nothing, and we couldn't defend ourselves, which is not really a serious argument, because nobody is going to attack them.

And it's some, it does inhibit NATO from just how much more it can promise.

Do you believe this will be business as usual, Velneous, or something momentous?

Well, we're in momentous times, John. You know, everything has changed, obviously.

But my sense is that in the end, it all comes down to the battlefield.

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