Welcome to Untangle, the podcast from Meditation Studio. I'm Patricia Carpus. In this series, we introduce you to real people with extraordinary stories and experts who share how meditation and mindfulness practices change our lives. Our podcast is brought to you by Meditation Studio, Apple's Pick, as one of the 10 best apps of the year.

Why download the app?

Because life is messy.

We get stressed, anxious, have trouble sleeping.

We work too hard.

We deal with conflict.

Our hearts get broken.

We worry about the state of the world.

We meditate because we're human. Our app gives you

hundreds of meditations from over 30 leading experts. It helps a lot. And if you haven't tried

the app yet, you can now try it for free and explore a starter series plus a sample of some of our

favorite guided meditations in the Discover

collection. You may also want to check out our new meditation collections this year. Mindful

eating, work, authentic leadership, and a special collection just for college students. There's also

a new mindful work and sleep basics course.

If you've already got the app, check out our new unguided meditation timer

where you can create your own meditations with or without our brand new, pretty amazing music tracks.

And don't forget the aid free meditations on Alexa.

Just ask her to enable Meditation Studio.

This week's guest is Natalie Kogan, author of the new book, Happier Now, How to Stop Chasing Perfection and Embrace Everyday Moments, Even, The Difficult Ones.

It's a book about living fully in the good times and bad and enjoying life more because you've embraced all of your feelings.

Natalie talks about the idea that happiness doesn't come to us when something happens,

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