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🗓️ 3 September 2018
⏱️ 55 minutes
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Gender dynamics are a very complex issue that we’ve only really begun to grapple with over the last several decades. Nas Tavakoli-Far makes studying gender roles and how we all communicate and interact with each other one of her main focuses, and she’s learned a great deal through her discussions. She shares her ideas on that, life in an immigrant family, media, and much more.
Nas Tavakoli-Far is a journalist and host/producer of The Gender Knot Podcast. She also presents and hosts for the BBC World Service radio. You can follow her on Twitter @NTavakoliFar
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0:00.0 | Right now a lot of women socially are very pissed off so they're coming out and they're very sort of directly expressing how they feel and there's this real sense of a lot of men retreating and feeling like they always need to maybe please women. |
0:13.0 | Now I can only really speak to speak for myself and the women that I'm close to, |
0:17.5 | but I feel like I'm not really interested in a man pleasing me. |
0:22.3 | I'm more interested in him engaging. I'm more interested in even if a guy |
0:28.4 | disagrees with something I've said, I'm really upset with him staying present and trying to work through something with me and I |
0:35.2 | think that's something that men really misunderstand I think and this is a bit of a |
0:39.1 | cliche we have but there's some truth to this that men feel like they have to fix |
0:42.2 | things this cliche that a woman will talk there's some truth to this that men feel like they have to fix things. |
0:43.0 | It's cliche that a woman will talk, a woman will talk about a problem and a guy is like, |
0:47.6 | what do you want me to do about it? |
0:49.6 | It's a cliche, but I think there's a real truth to that and yeah I in my own experience I |
0:56.6 | personally have had very bad experiences with men who are people pleases and who want to |
1:01.7 | please women because that's actually that isn't |
1:04.5 | actually connection that kind of feels like quite an objectified relationship |
1:09.7 | you know like you are being nice to me because you want something or you are trying to fix something because you want me to get off your back and not talk about something anymore. |
1:19.0 | You know, and I think the interest is more in connection and even having a fight I mean I'm a big fan of having a fight and especially |
1:27.2 | Again speaking for myself but I think this might be a bit more general than just me |
1:32.4 | I I really lose respect for a guy if he can't have an argument with me because I feel like that's a way of a people pleasing, be not being honest and see kind of treating me like I'm some fragile thing and that all we can't really go there. |
1:45.4 | Whereas if we get engaged and we argue but still the guy is present, he wants to have the conversation, |
1:51.6 | we might disagree, but he's up for grappling with it with me |
1:55.2 | that means a thousand times more |
2:00.9 | I'm Sreni Rao and this is the unmistakable Creative Podcast where you get a window into the stories and |
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