Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop, I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, playing dinner theaters in the suburbs to keep your six-piece band working, or else a scrappy upstart, playing DIY shows in basements that are not up to fire code.

This is your show, because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most, an iron-clad excuse to put off actually writing.

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