Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter.

The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop, I'm your host Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

and their process on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So whether you're a grizzled veteran, saving thousands of dollars on a music video by using

non-union scabs or else a scrappy upstart, saving thousands on a music video by using

the AI generator runway.

This is your show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most and ironclad

excuse to put off, actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the last Friday of April 2023, and I thank you for joining us.

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