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In today's guest, we're Kelly Higgins.

Kelly, how are we?

All right, thank you.

Pretty crazy story. Your mum, Bernadette McNeely. Yeah.

Kind of psychotic killer. Six of them murdered young and innocent girl, 16 years old.

Suzanne Capa. Capa? Yeah. And Manchester.

Yeah. Everyone got 25 years. Some of them get get 12 18 but yeah you kind of grew up on that household but while your mum has murdered a 16 year old you're still under her care while she's

in prison like pretty mad story but first and foremost how are you all right thank you again congratulations

i hear you've just been married as well so So, yeah, good things. But this story is very dark. It's very deep and it's also very personal to you. So no doubt it will dig up a lot of wounds. But I think these stories are important. Yeah. But before we get into all the madness, I always like to go back to the start of my guests, get more a bit of understanding about you, Kelly.

Yeah, you grump and how it all began.

So I was born in Blackburn.

Bernardetz originally from Scotland, I believe that Owen had met on a fair ground somewhere.

And then they had me in the local area and had James in the local area where we live

now and then who's your brother so my brother James yeah and then um my dad wasn't the best with

mum at that time so she um did a moonlight flip So basically she disappeared when James was born. So

dad and mum separated then and then obviously we then ended up in Manchester, Muston with

Bernadette, which is where everything turned a bit darker from that point on. Was there any

telltale signs as a kid?

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