My name is Will DeFries and this is a Sunday Scaries Podcast, your cure for the Sunday Blues.

When I was in fifth grade, we had to stand in front of our class and do a speech about what we

wanted to be when we grew up. Simply called the when I grow up speech. Being naive and in fifth grade,

I told the class that I wanted to be an Imagineer, someone who works for Disney-designing rides,

illustrating movies, and pretty much doing anything creative. Unfortunately, I severely underestimated

the amount of engineering knowledge that goes into being an Imagineer. At the heart of it,

I simply wanted to be an illustrator or a cartoonist. I'd spend countless hours at home drawing it,

my desk, in my room, doodling in a sketchbook or recreating my favorite Calvin and Hobbes comic strips.

And as I grew older, I found myself paging endlessly through my dad's book compilations of cartoons

from the New Yorker. Obviously, my ambitions to become a full-time cartoonist didn't pan out like in

fifth grade. But today, I'm going to talk to someone who does in fact cartoon for a living.

In addition to cartooning for the New Yorker, today's guest has a new book coming out in November

titled Murder Book. Ladies and gentlemen, Hilary Fitzgerald Campbell. Hilary, welcome to the Sunday

Scaries podcast. You and I have been emailing back and forth for what feels like months now,

and I've been following you on Instagram for what feels like even longer now. But it's so good to

have you here. Thank you so much. I am both thrilled and honored to be here. I knew that we would be

friendly once I saw the third page of your book where you showed your love for cartoons, white

one a nice, and Frazier, which we'll get to later today. But from there, I really dove in,

harder than I expected to, please tell me all about Murder Book. Murder Book, where does one begin?

So, yes, so like, you know, as any woman in America these days, I am obsessed with murder.

I have been for quite some time. And several years ago when I was like, I'd finished up another

book and was like, what the hell am I going to do now? I had a call with my agent and was kicking

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