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I'm in constable riding for barons and other distinguished publications. Identifies copper

as the recession commodity to watch. Why? So I'm in a very good even to copper in demand

for these last years and decades because of the miracle so-called in China. Copper, copper,

and yet now I understand the copper prices have been soft for some time. Is there a driver

for this and your article in barons says there's a way to look at copper as a good investment

coming in this year. Certainly not much else is attractive for investing right now. So what

is copper's case? Why did it decline? Why can it rise again? Good evening to you.

Good evening to you, John. Just as a reminder to everybody, copper is absolutely vital in

the manufacture of cars because you need electricity to go around the car and in the construction

of buildings because you need lighting and heating to go on in those buildings. And if

you don't have that, you really don't have a building that's worth living in or a car

that can be driven in any way that makes any sense. So what I wrote about here was the outlook

for copper for 2023 and the big consensus that I got from people was it's likely to trend

down as demand dips, particularly China, which is having a really difficult time with

its economy at the moment. A lot of it I've got to say is probably self-imposed by China,

but that doesn't make any difference to the rest of the world. So we've got that going

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