When you realize that my life is in the middle of a spiritual battle, yes, it has been won.

When Jesus said it is finished, the redemption is accomplished, it's done.

But I still have a lot of work to do in a fallen world.

Right.

I cannot take another mountain.

Right.

I am in the place under the brim tree.

I don't know what to do.

And I think the Lord might just be saying,

rest and eat and do it again, and do it again, and do it again until you're refilled.

There were some broomtrees that almost took me out. And I think the first time I kind of just made myself sit and the fact that God didn't just give him rest once. God wasn't disappointed. Right.

It's like God just loved him in that place. That's what's shocking to me and that frankly is what

is still hard for me to access. Yeah. I still want to go, just keep going, just keep going. It's still

hard for me to nap and eat because I'm more comfortable as a dutiful Christian.

Access more.

Hey, hey, back porches.

My name is Lisa Harper, and I'm the 5'8 spiritual wingwoman to 5'12,

Allison Allen, and 5'14, Dr. Jim Howard, my, well, I shouldn't say my favorite seminary

professor, even though you and I both know that you are, Big Brother, Mentor, really the theological glue of back porch theology. And so we are so excited. This is the first time Dr. Howard, we've had him at the table for the full time, but we're in this series on kind of the theological significance of mountains and valleys.

And so when we were praying about it, we decided we want to all do a mountain and we want to all do a valley.

And so today's episode is we've kind of flipped the script.

We asked Dr. Howard, he does, of course, the me and my prof section,

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