Hey, it's Michael. As you've probably noticed every Sunday, you have been hearing episodes of the fantastic show Modern Love right here on the daily feed. Modern Love is going to be on our feed for a few more weeks. And to set up this week's show, I've got host Anna Martin right here in our studio. Hey, Anna.

Hey, Michael. Thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. So tell us about this week's episode. All right, Michael, I feel like I probably know the answer to this question, but I'll ask it anyway. Do you consider yourself an overthinker? 100%. Okay, without a doubt. Never an underthinker. Only an overthinker. Never the right amount of thinker, overthinker. Overthinker. Yep. What if I told you, I spoke to someone who'd figured out a way to stop their own overthinking, and it involves getting tied up, but in a sexy way. Is there any other kind of being tied up? There is. As I like to say on the daily, just explain that. I will actually let Grace Hussar explain that. She's the woman that I spoke to in this episode. She wrote a fantastic modern love essay that our episode is based on. That essay is called The Kind of Pain I Wanted. I love that title. Mm-hmm. Great title. So this is not necessarily for everyone. No, this would not be an episode for the full family. Just part of it. Just part of it. Just the adults. Okay. This might be my job. This might be your job. And I'm going to introduce this week's episode of Modern Love,

which I can't wait to hear.

Here it is.

Great introduction, Michael.

Thank you.

Love now and all. Did you fall in love last?

I love love love.

The love was stronger than anything.

For the love, love.

And I love you more than anything.

What is love?

There's to love. And I love you more than anything. Martin love! There's to love.

From the New York Times, I'm Anna Martin.

This is Modern Love.

Today, I'm talking to a writer about how she discovered that pain and BDSM were key to her being fully in her body and in the moment.

In the most important moments of my life, my brain was instead focusing on how do I remember this

so that it's perfect? For her entire life, Grace Hussar struggled to stay present. She was always a little outside of the moment,

and it bothered her. As a fellow extreme overthinker, I have to say, I related to this hard.

For example, this detail really stuck out to me. Grace told me about how, when she was telling

her boyfriend she loved him for the first time, she

got so in her head about it that she couldn't even remember what it felt like when he said

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