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From the New York Times, I'm Natalie Kittrow F. This is the Daily.

Last week, President Trump hit several countries with yet another round of punishing tariffs.

So far, the economy's been resilient in the face of his trade war, but it's unclear how long that'll last.

Today, I talk to my colleague, dealbook editor Andrew Ross Sorkin, about what CEOs are telling

him privately about Trump's tariffs and where they

think all of this is headed.

It's Monday, August 11th.

Andrew, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me.

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