We've heard from many different people in the previous episodes of this.

We've heard from many different people in the previous episodes of this podcast, from Lionel

Krabs unreliable mate, Sydney Knowles, from Portsmouth-based reporter Peter Marshall, and we've heard

from experts like Dr Richard Shepard who guided us

through the autopsy on Crabs Corps and Crab Expert Anne Bevan who knows more than anyone

about the whole mystery. But there's one person who so far remain silent,

and that's Lionel Krab himself. We know he gave some radio interviews in the 1940s, but do those programs still exist?

And how would we even find them?

Our junior producer, Martha Miller Miller is on the case starting with the BBC

but it's a long shot. When I contacted BBC Archives they originally said that there are two remaining fragments of a BBC home service recording from 1949.

Martha has managed to find a radio listings magazine from that year,

which gives more information about the program.

It was called The Frogman, and it was about an underwater expedition led by crab and it was

mentioned in the program and Martha's just been sent the only surviving clip from the program. It's on her laptop.

And you think that could be, Lionel Cramp? I think it could be based on what the Radio Times

program references.

And in this clip, there's a man who's talking about this work,

which makes me think, this is the person, this is Crab.

This is brilliant digging.

Okay, we've got to hear this voice now.

You need to picture the scene.

Crab is in a BBC recording studio in London. A small room, he's sitting at a wooden table.

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