A quick warning before we begin, this episode contains graphic descriptions of a dead body.

In any great human drama, like an assassination or murder,

there are always eyewitnesses and bystanders.

People who aren't central to what happened,

but who can shed light on the unfolding events.

In the case of Lionel Krab,

one such bystander popped up on an old diving website,

Carrie McKinnon, and he claimed to have had a walk-on part in the unfolding drama of Crab.

And so my producer Sarah and I want to meet him.

It turns out he lives near Chichester, not far from Portsmouth.

What's the name of that house there? That one is called Melards and Magnolias, two houses.

What's the name of his house again?

That's a very good question.

It's called Tukk that's got really weird, don't you?

Bingo.

If our information... bingo.

If our information is correct, this is the home of Carrie McKinnon, the bystander in the story of Lionel Krab.

Hello. crab. You found him. You found him. Brilliant. We are making a podcast about Lionel Crab.

And we found your name on a very old internet site.

Come in, come in, come in, come in.

Carrie McKinnon. He's early 70s I reckon,

suntand a beaming grin and he looks like he's on holiday with his

...