This is just a very quick pre-introdu to the introduction you're about to hear for the episode

to say that what you're about to hear makes no mention of the U.S. election at all.

And that is because it was recorded quite a bit before.

I recorded the intro you're about to hear several weeks ago.

And the actual interview was recorded at the end of the summer. So we don't talk about the intensity of this news cycle.

I hope that listening to something completely unrelated might be a balm on what has been a very stressful couple of weeks in the

news, especially the last week in particular for everyone. So here's that conversation. That's

why there's no mention of it. Here we go. Here it is. I do have moments of passion that I think really keep me

coming back every morning to like chop wood and carry water again because I definitely feel like

that is my life phase. Chop wood and carry water. And so I think

that keeps me going. Some of the, just the tactical things that I mentioned to keep the body

in mind healthy and on the rails, but also a feeling of faith, hope, and then maybe just the

discipline of being able to get out of bed every morning and keep my

body moving despite my head saying this is impossible.

Hi, welcome back.

My name is Katie Dilbaugh.

You're about to hear a conversation that I honestly really loved.

I have been doing this podcast for what feels like a very long time.

And I think the reason why I continue is because of conversations like this one,

where I get to talk to someone who I want to talk to and might not have gotten to without having it recorded

for this platform and getting an hour of their time to see where it goes and let it meander

into directions that it might not have in a social setting or in any other place.

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