I am thrilled to take his guest. I'm a fan. This is the first time we're chatting. I'm really excited. I'm with

Michael Smirkonish. He is of course the host of CNN Saturdays 9 to 10 a.m.

Smirk on CNN Saturdays. He's also the host of Michael Smokonish

program weekdays at 9 a.m. Eastern on Poetist Politics, Sirius XM.

I believe it's Channel 124.

If that's not enough, he's authored seven books,

two New York Times Best Sellers.

His latest book is, I love the title,

I haven't read it yet, but I love the title is I haven't read yet but I love the title

title clowns to the left to me joke was to the right American life and columns it's a kind of a

compilation of a hundred of his newspaper items he is one of the guys that make sense

all the time today in the media which is highly unusual.

He is, I like myself, a radical centrist, I think.

I don't know if that's a good way to describe it, but it's nice to have here.

Thanks for taking the time, man. Thank, I should end this interview right now. It's not going to get any better than that.

We'll keep it, we'll keep it high Mark.

But you've been doing this a while, I didn't realize that you were on CNN for 10 12 years and same thing with

serious so how did you even stumble on to this in the first place? I had unique

political experiences at early age. You work for George H. W.

I did, right.

And Donnie, that grew out of, I've spent my whole life in a 50-mile radius, Philadelphia

and those, you know, inner suburbs that you're a pen guy.

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