All right, Michael, we're, um, thank you for being here.

We've been, it seems like good buds for, for some time now.

You've been, you've been on the show before and, um, before we get in, and of course we're

talking about this issue, which is this, this entire series has been about is, is, uh,

trans and sport, which is, as I like to describe it, boy, this is a really complicated

issue, and then you have other folks that say, actually, it's not very complicated at

all.

And I'm trying to listen to, I want to hear all sides of this debate, right?

And, and a highly politicized, um, fear based debate, um, but before we get into that,

I just have to ask, because I'm so curious, you said you're going, spending some time in

Austin, of course, I spent 30 years there and, um, and, and, and, and, and moving back

there.

It was just there the other day.

He did index was 120, um, I know it was, I was like, maybe the seven months of snow,

wasn't that bad.

Right.

But you said you've been spent time down there, the, the, the, there's, there's a group

down there starting in new university called the University of Austin.

Right.

Yes.

Actually, a lot of people I know from California are moving to Austin, it seems to be the

place to go, like our mutual friend, Rogan, and a bunch of other people.

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