Welcome to Untangle, the podcast from Meditation Studio. I'm Patricia Carpus. In this series,

we introduce you to real people with extraordinary stories and experts who share how meditation

and mindfulness practices change our lives. Our podcast is brought to by Meditation Studio.

Apple's Pick is one of the 10 best apps of the year.

Why download the app?

Because life is messy.

We get stressed, anxious, have trouble sleeping,

we work too hard, feel overwhelmed,

our hearts get broken, we worry about the state of the world.

We meditate because we're human. Our app gives you hundreds of meditations from over 30 leading experts.

It helps a lot.

And if you haven't tried the app yet, you can now try it for free and explore a starter series,

plus a sample of some of our favorite guided meditations in the Discover collection.

You may also want to check out our new meditation collection focused on mindful eating

and our collection and course all about mindfulness at work.

And if you've already got the app, check out our new unguided meditation timer

where you can create your own meditations with or without our brand new,

pretty amazing music tracks. And don't forget the eight free meditations on Alexa. Just ask

her to enable meditation studio. Today's guest is Michael J. Gell. Michael is a New York Times best-selling

author and one of the world's leading authorities on creative thinking and innovative leadership strategies.

In this interview, we talked about his new book, The Art of Connection, seven relationship building skills every leader needs now.

He reminds us how important relationships are, and he shares why we all

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