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Impolitic with John Heilemann

Michael Froman: Love Taps in Iran, Summitry in Beijing, & Schizophrenia in Ukraine

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.84.5K Ratings

🗓️ 11 May 2026

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

John welcomes Council on Foreign Relations president Michael Froman to discuss the three central topics in American foreign policy today: the war in Iran, U.S.-China relations, and the war in Ukraine. Froman offers his interpretation of the Trump administration’s mixed messages, glib metaphors, and ever-shifting strategy in its military campaign against Tehran; previews this week’s summit in Beijing between President Trump and Xi Jinping; and tries to make sense of why Trump has effectively sided with Vladimir Putin over Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the very moment when Ukraine seems better-positioned than ever to prevail in combat over Russia. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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In the course of last week, an American public that opposed the war in Iran from the jump

0:47.4

and that poll show has only grown more displeased by that war since then, was told on Tuesday by Secretary of State Marco Rubio from

0:58.4

the White House podium no less that the war that the public doesn't like very much is in fact

1:04.1

over was over done kaput finished no more war on Wednesday, by President Trump, that not only was

1:14.0

the war over in our collective rearview mirror, but that America had clearly won it.

1:20.1

Then, on Thursday, in the wake of Iran, launching multiple missiles and drone strikes

1:26.3

at U.S. warships transiting the Strait of Hormuz,

1:29.3

and the U.S. hitting back with missiles of its own at the Iranian military sites responsible

1:34.6

for the first attacks, Trump insisted that the volleys of airborne armaments were merely, quote,

1:40.3

love taps, love taps made necessary by the fact that Iran had, quote,

1:47.9

trifled with us, trifled with us, and that the ceasefire between the countries was intact,

1:56.6

even though, quote, we blew them away. Okay.

2:02.5

So if those messages strike you as confusing, just put it mildly,

2:06.8

and you're struggling to understand what the hell is going on in this war,

2:12.1

I am tempted at first to say,

2:15.1

take a number or welcome to the club.

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