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Impolitic with John Heilemann

RZA Pt. 2: Wu-Tang Clan (Still) Ain’t Nothing to F*ck With

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.84.5K Ratings

🗓️ 8 May 2026

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

In the second installment of this week’s special two-part episode featuring Wu-Tang Clan’s sonic Svengali and de facto leader, RZA discusses the seminal hip-hop collective’s recent, first-ballot inclusion in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame; the group's ongoing farewell tour and lasting cultural legacy; how RZA’s self-described dictatorial tendencies were key to making it all happen; and why it’s still so important to “diversify your bonds.” To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Aloha Namaste and welcome to Impolitic with John Heilman, a puck and audacity

0:11.0

earlier this week, we dropped the first part of this special two-part episode with my

0:16.1

longtime pal and occasional collaborator, the acclaimed producer, composer, actor, filmmaker, best known as the prime mover behind and de facto leader of the Seminole hip-hop collective Wu-Tang Clan, Rizza.

0:29.7

Because Riz's new movie, One Spoon of Chocolate, which he both wrote and directed, just opened in theaters across the country last week, and because the

0:37.8

film, 15 years in the making, marks the latest stage in Riz's artistic evolution away from music

0:42.8

making and towards movie making, those were the topics that we focused on in the first installment

0:47.3

of this double header. And if you haven't listened to that one yet, please do. Probably

0:51.8

make sense to go back and listen to that one before you listen to this one.

0:56.0

Anyway, whatever the future holds for Riza as a cinematic progenitor,

1:00.9

the place where his impact and influence to date have been greatest,

1:04.7

extending way beyond the confines of entertainment and into the culture at large,

1:08.7

has been in the realm of music.

1:10.4

As the producer and Sonic Spengali behind Wu-Tang's Out of Nowhere,

1:14.9

rap world-changing, record industry upending,

1:17.6

1993 debut album Enter the Wutang, 36 Chambers,

1:22.2

Riza fashioned something that was more than a sound and more than a soundscape,

1:26.6

but a fully realized, utterly distinctive,

1:29.0

and instantly recognizable aesthetic system. Resolutely lo-fi, gritty, dusty, skeletal,

1:35.9

claustrophobic, and relentlessly rhythm forward, filled with clip drums, hard, dry kicks,

1:41.7

and snares, huge amounts of negative space shot through with samples

1:46.7

lifted from sources ranging from obscure stacks b-sides to Shaw Brothers Kung Fu movies to

1:53.0

black exploitation staples such as Superfly and shaft and then sliced into jagged piercing fragments.

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