Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your

host Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep

on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, trying to hold on to the publishing of your first

album during a messy divorce, or else a scrappy upstart, trying to convince your fiancé

that one day your publishing will be worth something, this is your show, because ultimately

it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the second Friday of December 2024, and I thank you for joining us.

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