Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here,

we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process,

on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

who remembers when solid state amplifiers first came out,

or else a scrappy upstart, who has never known a world without abundant and flawless 48K samples,

this is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most,

an iron-clad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the first Friday of 2025, and I thank you for joining us.

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