Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode

here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their

process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled

veteran, insisting that your music falls within the genre of yacht rock or else a scrappy upstart, insisting that your music cannot be categorized.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Music cloud excuse to put off actually writing. Hey, everybody, it's the first Friday of December 24, and I thank you for joining us.

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