Coming to you from the Center for Social Confidence in Portland, Oregon, welcome to shrink for the shy guy.

Helping men everywhere go from social anxiety to social domination with your host, Dr. Raziz.

Hey, everybody.

Welcome to today's episode of the show.

Today, we're going to be getting into mastery of fear by using exposure.

And this is something that most people know about.

If you listen to this show, I'm sure you've heard about exposure, how to face what

scares you, how to overcome fear by moving towards the fear by approaching it instead of avoiding

it. The very famous book by Susan Jeffers called Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway. And everyone

knows that stuff, or a lot of people know that stuff. And yet, if it was so simple,

then we would all do it. And so what I wanted to do is I want to say, okay, who knows how to do this?

Who helps people do this day in and day out? And I want to interview them. And that actually is Dr.

Robin Zazio, who I had on the show quite a while back, and she is just a powerhouse, and she

helps people really with the nuances of exposure. And so what I did is I got her back on the phone,

and we did another interview, and this time I said, okay, let's not try to sell people on exposure

or tell them why facing their fear is a good thing. Let's assume everyone's already

on board with that. And so if you're not on board with that, go back and listen to other episodes

or go back and find my first interview with Dr. Zazio or something. So you're like, okay, yes,

face my fear. Most likely, you've probably already been trying to do that or are doing that in

your life. And this is just going to give you some high-level distinctions.

These are some really powerful insights that come from Dr. Zazio's 20-plus years,

my 15-plus years of doing this,

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