And the Hey everyone. It's Andrew Clavin with this week's interview, which is with Mary Harrington.

I always tell you on the Andrew Clavin show that I give you tomorrow's news today and I was I think maybe the first person to notice

this movement among highly intelligent women to suddenly look askance at feminism.

I noticed Erica Bakioche and Angela Franks and Louise Perry,

but prime, first among equals perhaps, is Mary Harrington,

a brilliant lady who is a contributing editor at Unheard.

She's a self-described reactionary feminist and I'll talk to her about that and that's the name of her

sub-stack as well reactionary feminist and the author of the book Feminism Against Progress which I highly

recommend is coming out this month in paperback from Regnery Mary Mary it is great to see you

again how you doing?

I'm very well thanks Andrea thanks for having me. Oh thank you for coming on. I just got you know I just the other day got into a debate with my son Spencer where I was he had written a piece for fairer disputations where you sometimes appear about

chivalry and I described it I've described fair disputations as women who are smart

enough to realize that feminism has gone bad

but refused to get rid of the name feminist and he rebuked me he said that I

was I was allowing the left to co-op the term feminism and that since I care about the rights of women, I myself am a feminist.

So I was forced, I stabbed him.

I don't.

I may have been an overreaction, but I just couldn't stand that. But who's right there? I mean, I feel that feminism has been a failure, and maybe we should just say that but is he does he have a point

I'm gonna be a communic on this I'm gonna say you're both right all right

right in the sense there there are there is more than one feminism and I don't

think it's I don't think it's self-evident that we have to hand feminism to the

left but I think you're right in the sense that particularly in the

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