Markwayne Mullin is conservative, Christian, Cherokee, and the new head of DHS
Code Switch
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ποΈ 25 March 2026
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everyone, you're listening to Code Switch, the show about race and identity from NPR. |
| 0:06.4 | I'm B.A. Parker. |
| 0:07.7 | And I'm Gene Demby. |
| 0:09.1 | Everybody wanted this job. |
| 0:11.8 | I said, there's one man for this job, and I have no doubt he's going to be fantastic. |
| 0:15.8 | On Monday, March 23rd, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen was officially confirmed as the new head of the Department of Homeland Security. |
| 0:23.9 | So help me God. |
| 0:26.0 | Congratulations, Secretary. |
| 0:31.5 | This is a huge job. |
| 0:34.7 | The person in this job is in charge of ice and border patrol and TSA and they |
| 0:39.8 | generally set the national tone on how we approach immigration enforcement. Yeah. Mullen is |
| 0:45.7 | stepping in to replace Christy Knoe. Earlier this month, Christy Knoan was fired in the wake of some |
| 0:51.3 | really high profile bad press for the DHS. |
| 0:55.3 | Bad press, she says with an understatement. |
| 0:57.5 | As our listeners know, immigration officials shot and killed two people very publicly in Minnesota earlier this year during protests about ice raids that were happening in the Twin Cities. |
| 1:08.4 | And Nome was known as being extremely hardline. Some of her highlights |
| 1:13.8 | included an ad campaign to convince undocumented migrants to self-deport, which I saw pretty much |
| 1:20.0 | every day for like two months on TV. If you're an illegal alien living in the United States, |
| 1:25.5 | this runway is your future. |
| 1:27.7 | And there was the more recent controversy. |
| 1:29.4 | It was over a $220 million border security advertising campaign that featured Noam on |
| 1:37.2 | horseback. |
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