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The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby

Mark Manson: The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck

The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby

Matt & Abby

Society & Culture

4.816.7K Ratings

🗓️ 28 January 2026

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

Mark Manson joins Matt & Abby for a thoughtful, honest conversation about modern self-help, personal responsibility, and what actually leads to a meaningful life. They talk marriage as a “long conversation,” the dangers of toxic positivity, dating apps, friendship, death, and how Mark’s thinking has evolved since writing The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck. This episode is sponsored by Cash App, Audible, Square & Nutrafol. Cash App: Download Cash App Today: [https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/kssum24w #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. See terms and conditions at https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement. Discounts and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures.Audible: Go to https://Audible.com/MessyLove to start listening today.Square: Get up to $200 off Square hardware when you sign up at square.com/go/UNPLANNED! #squarepodNutrafol: Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code UNPLANNEDPOD Chapters: 00:00 - Mark Manson 03:12 - Disappointment Panda 06:45 - Titling The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck 13:00 - sponsor: CashApp 14:37 - Religious influence 19:15 - Dangers of self help 21:59 - How my views have changed 23:50 - Personal responsibility 26:34 - sponsor: audible 27:44 - Children and purpose 34:41 - Importance of community 39:45 - sponsor: square 41:40 - Three factors of friendship 46:33 - Quality of Life 53:15 - sponsor: Nutrafol 56:25 - Death 1:00:16 - Marriage: the Long Conversation 1:03:19 - The trap of dating apps 1:07:53 - Keeping score in marriage 1:13:18 - Launching a new self help app Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:07.0

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0:14.0

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0:20.0

Because Slackbot isn't just another AI.

0:23.3

It's AI that knows your work as well as you do. Visit Slack.com forward slash meet Slackbot to learn more.

0:30.1

Happiness is overrated and purpose is underrated. And the thing about purpose is that it's often hard.

0:34.8

This idea that you can be perfectly internally validated and never worry

0:38.5

about what other people think about you. There's a word for somebody who doesn't care what other people

0:42.7

think about it. It's called a psychopath. We don't want to be psychopath. A lot of people have

0:47.1

replaced religion with politics, with economic pursuits and materialism. I'm like the most pro-religion

0:52.9

atheists there probably is. Because if you don't place it somewhere, you could very likely place it somewhere very destructive. The meaning of your life is what you make of it. That's intimidating. It's scary. Because if you make the wrong choices or you prioritize the wrong things, guess whose fault it is, right? Guess who screwed up? Today on Unplanned, we sat down with Mark Manson,

1:11.1

the New York Times best-selling author of the subtle art of not giving a freak. That's actually the

1:15.6

F-word. Mark's book speaks straight to your heart as a human. It's very different than the typical

1:21.1

self-help book. We talk about why making friends as an adult is so hard, the fastest way to find

1:26.5

your purpose, and so much more all on today's episode.

1:32.1

Mark Manson, welcome to unplanned. I'm happy to be here. Did not plan on it.

1:38.8

We also have the disappointment panda in the room.

1:43.3

Yeah, Matt. We need some explanation for the panda.

1:45.9

He's making a rare appearance.

1:47.5

He's kind of the mascot at the front of the office.

1:49.7

I actually don't think he's ever been on a podcast before.

1:52.6

No way.

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