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The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby

A messy conversation about divorce

The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby

Matt & Abby

Society & Culture

4.816.1K Ratings

🗓️ 21 January 2026

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Matt & Abby have an honest, thoughtful conversation about divorce, what the data actually says, and the seasons of marriage that tend to be the hardest. They talk through common reasons marriages struggle, indicators that often get ignored, and why they still believe in marriage, before closing with an Agree to Disagree segment and questions from listeners. This episode was sponsored by Rocket Money, OLIPOP & Shopify. Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster—join at https://RocketMoney.com/unplanned Get a free can of OLIPOP when you buy any 2 cans in store—just visit https://drinkolipop.com/unplanned Sign up for your $1/month trial and start selling today at https://shopify.com/unplanned with promo code unplanned. Chapters: 00:00 - A messy conversation about divorce 01:39 - Getting married before 25 12:53 - sponsor: Rocket Money 14:18 - Most difficult periods of marriage 25:42 - sponsor: Olipop 28:52 - Largest indicators of divorce 30:34 - Most common reasons for divorce 33:28 - Jobs and divorce rates 40:40 - Benefits of marriage 42:58 - sponsor: Shopify 44:40 - Agree to Disagree 57:44 - Q&A Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:20.0

People are just so quick to just be like, leave him. If I had a dollar for every comment or like on a comment for people that told you to leave me, I would have a lot of dollars. Getting married under the age of 25, you have a higher rate of divorce by up to 25%. We were children when we started dating. Yeah. But there's like pros and cons, right?

0:38.4

Compromise wasn't exactly possible. That was like a hurdle in our relationship. We had to overcome.

0:42.5

And we did. We figured it out. I got my way.

0:45.6

Or men or women were likely to cheat. Let me look that up.

0:48.0

Men. Why men? Because they think with their peepee.

0:51.7

What would you say it's been the hardest season to grieve and let go of and recognize that part of our life is done?

1:00.2

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1:23.3

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Unplanned, a Marriage and Family podcast. And today, we are talking about divorce. We're going to have an unfiltered, messy conversation about it. We're about marriage and divorce. Which is actually kind of funny because I had people submit some questions today. And someone literally thought we were divorced, which is so sad. No, I feel like that's, I thought that. I was like You're literally going to make it sound like we're getting divorced. We're not getting divorced, guys. We're just having a conversation about it, which I think is actually so important to have these conversations in marriage, because if you avoid uncomfortable conversations in your marriage, it's just going to grow like a disconnect between you. Okay. Actually, I was like looking at what we had prepared for

2:01.9

this episode. And the thing that surprised me the most, because I feel like we talk, gosh, we talk

2:06.6

endlessly about young marriage, apparently getting married under the age of 25, you have a higher

2:12.7

rate of divorce by up to 25%. Do you think that changes how we should advise our kids on marriage? Like if we have a kid that comes to us wanting to get married like we did when you're 19, are we going to encourage them to wait? Because then there's data that shows if you cohabitate, if you cohabitate, there's a likelihood that then you split up too. We're saying that if you live together before you're married, you're more likely to get divorced. Yeah, that's what Arthur Brooks told us too, and there's research to support that.

2:38.1

I think it all boils down. Maybe this just makes me sound like a hopeless romantic, but I think

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