In this episode of Boss Files, we are at a precipice right now. We are at a point where we need to make these decisions.

We need to decide what kind of a society that we're going to have going forward.

Salesforce founder and CEO Mark Benio, his fight for gender equality inside his own company and across Silicon Valley. Why he's put $6 million into the

effort so far, but says they're not done closing the pay gap at Salesforce. He says he's deeply

concerned technological advancements may lead to more inequality. Also, why he says some of his

fellow tech giants, like Facebook and Twitter, may need

more regulation in the wake of Russia's election meddling and a sobering on the state of politics

today. If we delegate these things, two political figures are not going to get done.

Also, what he pitched President Trump when they were one-on-one at the White House, and how

Steve Jobs changed his life.

Here's my interview with Salesforce CEO, Mark Benio.

Mark Benioff, nice to have you.

Thanks for being with us.

It's great to be here.

Thanks for it.

Welcome, by the way, to Dreamforce.

We're in San Francisco. I would be there, were I not about to have a baby boy? So. Congratulations to you. Thank you. Next year, next year. So let's talk about 15th annual Dream Force, and you had the former first lady, Michelle Obama, on stage with you this morning. You interviewed her pretty unfiltered for an hour what was great actually what stood at well I mean

it was a huge focus and her huge vision for the power of women that women

deserve seat at the table and that we need greater levels of gender equality,

especially when it comes to business.

We all know about equal opportunity, we know about equal advancement,

we know about pay equality, that women need to be paid the same as men for equal work.

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