This is the Gatsy Health podcast with Janique and Tristan Roney.

Hey guys, welcome back.

Welcome to another episode.

And this is one that we have no pleasure doing, to be honest.

This is a riveting podcast episode. We've had a few arguments over it. We've actually already

recorded it once and we weren't happy with how it came out. And it's so important that we get this

right. Yeah. That we decided to completely scrap it and redo the whole thing.

Exactly.

And spend another hour re-recording it just to make sure that we are being really sensitive about this topic because it's one of the most inflammatory topics, I think, in society today.

And before we even... And before we even...

Yeah. And before we even say what it is, I want to give this little preamble, which is this is a

challenging subject and listening to it might be triggering for you. It probably will be triggering for

you no matter where you stand on

the issue. And you're going to want to turn it off and you're going to want to put us into a

box, a category that says these people's opinion doesn't matter because they're one of them.

And that's going to be very human for you to feel that way. But we really hope that you will stick it out and try to engage with this topic with us,

recognize all of the gray area that exists.

And we're going to, we're going to try and maintain the,

like we're going to try and create a safe space in the gray area today, you know,

because, um, because when we sit on the

right or left or the black or white side, that's where we start to point fingers at each other

and say, you're wrong, I'm right. And so we really just want to hold space for the gray and

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