What is up everyone? This is Alex Lieberman, co-founder and CEO of Morning Brew coming to you with the first

Founders Journal of the Week. For those of you that are listening to the Founders Journal for the first time,

this is my daily audio diary where I document

the biggest learnings happening behind the scenes at Morning Brew. As always or

at least most mostly always I'm joined by Josh Kaplan the producer and audio in chief

who always pushes these conversations further today we are talking about how to manage senior people by knowing the right

things to expect of senior people. Should we jump into it? I don't see why not?

Let's do it. All right senior leadership we recently talked about how

Jason Shullways was the first senior hire last year a couple weeks ago plus a year. Now we've got a much deeper roster of senior leadership so

you've learned a thing or two. Give us a thing or two.

Absolutely and what I want to make very clear is that this is not a sub-tweet of any senior leader at Morning Brew.

This is actually just like learnings that I've gleaned from my own deficiencies in management, as well as talking to managers outside of Morning Brew who have managed far more senior people than I have.

Okay, but I can give a quick caveat to your caveat is that up until a year ago we were 15 people

that had never done anything before. Everybody was essentially our first jobs, your first

job essentially my first job plus the other 10 people around and then you brought in people that actually knew how to do things and done things before so it was a very big dichotomy and there was a learning curve I think for you in Austin and even everybody on the team to

acclimate to being around people that had actually done things before.

Yeah for sure. I think you know generally how you can think about the difference of work as you climb, you know, like the

progression of a career is, I think the most junior people are more doers than thinkers and more senior people are more

thinkers than doers. And that's not to say that junior people don't think that that's not at all what it's saying,

but it's more that junior people are oftentimes

executing on the strategies that are thought of by more senior people and what I

have start to understand for myself is that there, I believe, are two very clear expectations that anyone should expect of a senior person.

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