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Ashley Tisdale explains why she left celebrity mom group with high school behavior that left her in tears.

In the essay for the cut, the actress wrote that she decided to break up with her mom friend group after feeling like it had become toxic. She explained that she left her mom group last year after experiencing behavior that

made her feel like she was back in high school. She said that she had felt lucky initially

finding this group of women. They were pregnant at the same time. And then after that, she went on to feel like she,

you know, she found her village. But she realized that she'd been left out of a couple of group

hangs and only found out about them from Instagram. Another time at one of the mom's dinner

parties, I realized where I sat with her, which was at the end of the table, far from the rest of

the women. I was starting to feel frozen out of the group, noticing every way that they seemed to exclude me. At first, I tried not to take things personally. It's not like people aren't allowed to get together without me. And maybe there were perfectly good reasons that I hadn't been invited. She continued adding that she told herself it was all in her head and wasn't a big

deal. But then Tisdale started sensing a distance between herself and the other moms. She was

getting invited things less and less and was even excluded from an event that the other moms planned

at her daughter's birthday party. She started feeling like she wasn't cool enough to be in the group

and felt like she was in high school all over again. She ended up texting the group that she didn't want to be a part of their circle anymore saying this is too high school for me and I don't want to take part in it anymore. Some of the women tried to make amends while others attempted to convince her that it was all in her head. To be clear, I've never considered the moms to be bad people. Well, maybe one, says Tisdale.

But I do think our group dynamics stopped being healthy and positive for me anyway.

So, since that essay has come out, husbands have come out in defense of, you know, listen,

there's Mandy Moore, there's

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