I think when we expand our approach and kind of let go of these certainties, care could be

everything. You know, what if care is not just this drug or that therapy? What if care could be

anything and everything? And what if healing could be everything? And not this question of, you know,

does mental health care come from this institution or that institution or the community? But what if it could look at many, many different possible ways? So, Welcome to the Death Panel.

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I am so, so excited to introduce our guest today.

Misha Frazier Carroll is an author and journalist who is joining us today to talk about her book called

Mad World, The Politics of Mental Health, which was just published by Pluto Press. Misha, welcome to the death panel. It is so nice to have you on the show. So nice to be here. Thank you for having me. So I guess, you know, full disclosure, I endorsed Misha's book. There's a blur for me on the back cover. I completely stand by what I said. And it was an honor to get to read, you know,

this book early. I read it in March. I've reread it twice since it's a really urgent book.

It's a great introduction to thinking through how mental health, mental illness, madness,

etc. can be politicized and also how that fits into a disability justice or a health communist framework.

And Misha, in the book, you talk a lot about the need to sort of embrace the messy, complicated,

unruly vulnerability of uncertainty and of our collective interdependence.

It's a really wonderful text and it has some really great concise histories and talks

through the nuance with so much care. So first off, I just want to say congrats and I am so

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