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So if you're up for talking about it to just start us off, I think listeners would really appreciate just hearing from you about your time at Willowbrook.

You know, can you talk through some of what happened when you tried to help people and how the institution itself responded to that?

What were the politics that you came into Willowbrook with and how the institution itself responded to that? What were the politics that you

came into Willowbrook with and how did that shape the fight to close Willowbrook? And how did that

also eventually sort of influence your approach to single payer? So let me start with a little bit of

background. I went into medicine because I had this heartful sense of the need to serve and to care

and to comfort. And that has been a prevailing theme and a prevailing emotion throughout my

entire life. You know, I'm 84 now and I've been doing this for a long time.

Yeah. When I was, when I finally decided that I was going to go to medical school,

and I figured out that I didn't have to study to be either a plumber or a businessman early on

in medicine, I was very involved in working to humanize my medical school and was able to seize

control of the student government and organized first a Los Angeles region-wide coalition of progressive

health science students, including nursing, dental, public health, med tech, and of course, medicine,

and then nationwide to put together a thing called the Student Health Organization,

which was committed to ending the war in Vietnam.

It was committed to supporting the struggle in the South, the civil rights struggle,

and primarily aimed at challenging the inhumanity and the alienation,

the brittleness, the dehumanization in our medical school curriculum in order to move us closer

to caring, comforting and caring and serving in a humble, subordinate role to the people

that we were taking care of.

And that led ultimately to my graduation.

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