Welcome back or welcome to the Finding Mastery Podcast. I'm Michael Jervay. And the idea behind these conversations

is to learn from people who are on the path of mastery. And one of the things that we take a

look at is their psychological framework, their unique journey that has led them to understand. their is so that we can almost use this conversation as an acid test about our own

psychological framework and maybe if we hear some things that we've always

wanted to adopt or always wanted to try to work towards and maybe they can illuminate a

certain way of thinking or behaviors or habits or patterns of thinking that will

get us closer to it. Okay and that doesn't mean that everything we hear we're going to resonate with.

So sometimes that acid test is also, you know, like, wow, that doesn't work for me.

That would never work for me.

And so it's the balancing of both of those that over time I think

is going to help us become better, whatever we're interested in.

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