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Seeing Other People

Losing Yourself in a Relationship and Finding Yourself Again

Seeing Other People

Ilana Dunn

Relationships, Society & Culture, Sexuality, Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Social Sciences, Science

4.5608 Ratings

🗓️ 3 February 2026

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Author and British Vogue dating columnist Annie Lord joins the podcast to talk about heartbreak, healing, and what actually happens after a long-term relationship ends. We unpack the pain no one prepares you for, why “moving on” isn’t about erasing the past, and how breakups can force massive personal growth. Annie opens up about identity loss, avoidant dating patterns, modern dating burnout, and what she’s learned from writing Notes on Heartbreak — a book that takes heartbreak seriously instead of trying to fix it.

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0:00.0

I am so excited for today's guest and today's episode. Annie Lord is here. She is an author.

0:09.9

She is a dating columnist. And I cannot wait for you guys to hear all about her book,

0:16.0

a notes on heartbreak. I have it right here in my hand. And when I say, like, this book, reading about the breakup

0:23.0

that Annie went through took me back to some of the toughest days of my life and the most

0:30.5

emotional I ever felt going through a breakup. Like, I really have never read such an accurate

0:36.5

description of the feelings that we feel. So Annie,

0:39.3

it is an honor to have you. Thank you so much for being here. Thanks so much for having me.

0:43.1

I'm so excited to chat. Me too. So there's so much that I want to talk to you about. But I want to

0:50.6

start with like, why this book, why now, what made you say, I'm going to turn all of

0:57.0

this pain into something that other people can hold and read and resonate with.

1:01.3

Yeah.

1:02.3

So, well, I figured actually I've written quite a while ago now.

1:05.3

It came out in the UK a few years ago.

1:07.8

But when I, I think it just when I wrote it just felt like I couldn't write about

1:14.1

anything else because you know when you was going through heartbreak it's just so all confusing

1:17.7

that I couldn't think yeah I couldn't think about anything else and I am such a like

1:24.2

journaler and that's how I sort of work out my feelings.

1:27.9

So it kind of felt like writing a big journal and like working out.

1:33.9

As I was writing it, I was really working out how I was feeling about the breakup.

1:39.0

And also I kind of wanted to write it because when I was going through the heartbreak,

1:43.7

I just felt like there wasn't much stuff that was helpful.

1:48.8

Like there was sort of self-help books that were really practical advice,

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