I see angels as physically as I would see a human being standing in front of me. And even sometimes the souls of loved ones, nights at the moment is looking for the consciousness. They aren't going to find it, it's not a new way. Realize that you're not just flesh and blood, you are a spiritual being as well. Lorna Burns memoir Angels in My Hair has sold over one million copies. This is a woman who has been saved from death many times by the guidance of beings that only she can perceive. Can you explain to us what it is that you have an ability to access? You have all the gifts I have. For some reason it was turned off. But if you practice, you can start to see., we were more telepathic. Imagine if Jesus came back now and spoke about loving your brother, and war be kind. The linders of the world would be terrified of him. Talk about your experience encountering Satan. I was afraid, but yet I knew it couldn't harm me. God was showing me the evil of the world. How much do you have access to future information? I have an offer lot. I would love mankind to wake up a little bit. It's such a precious gift to be alive. I don't care who you are or what you've done. I love you. I see

something in you that you cannot see in yourself. You're so that spark of light of God, how pure and how good you are. And I believe in you. I see you all every moment of my human life. I'm beyond. Hi, I'm Miami Alec.

I'm Jonathan Cohen.

And welcome to our break. I'm beyond. Shhh. Hi, I'm Miami Alec. I'm Jonathan Cohen.

And welcome to our breakdown.

We've got a very, very special episode today.

And it's a very unusual one.

The woman that we're going to speak to has had a life that,

by all accounts, is truly unbelievable.

From the time that she was very, very young,

she realized she was not alone in the universe. Okay. But throughout her life, she encountered beings, she encountered experiences with people who were no longer living, and she was told information that she could not have had any other way, except if she was told by some outside source. This is a woman also who was designated as being developmentally disabled. The word that her family used was retarded. And she ended up growing up, getting married, having many children, and writing eight books. She's an international, best-selling author. This is a woman who has been saved from death many times by the guidance of beings that only she can perceive. And there's an enormous amount for us to get into. It's really an honor to get to speak to Lorna Bern.

Angels in my hair is her autobiography. It's sold over 1 million copies worldwide. She's written seven other books, all with information that she believes she is tapping into that is available on a different plane of conscious experience. And in case you're already like, What? I recommend you check out our episodes, for example, with theoretical physicist Thomas Campbell, who talks about many of the same things in a slightly different language. But Jonathan and I are all about finding what is common among all of the people who are having experiences that science has yet been able to explain. Learners' philosophy and what she's been taught is also incredibly consistent with much indigenous spiritual traditions in terms of our place on the planet, our relationship with nature and our relationship with others. This is definitely one of the most unusual conversations we've ever had, but one that I think has a tremendous amount to add to all of our lives about what we're capable of. What we're capable of is an amazing thing to focus on because she describes that at one point, especially when living closer to nature that all humans perceived different levels of existence and different aspects of the human experience and that we lost that along the way. But right now there is a great awakening and that we are returning to an increased intuition and increased extra sensory ability being able to understand and access our guides, guardian angels, people that have passed even understanding oras and what they mean and looking at a body to even see if it may have illness and where that body may need help. This is an episode where we're going to ask you to suspend your disbelief and to set aside any preconceived notions you have about not only the word God, but the word angels, the word guides, even the notion of messengers. So these are all the human terms that we are using and that Lorna is using to try and describe a relationship and an interaction with something outside of most people's visual and perceptual framework, but you don't have to believe in angels the way you may have been taught when you were a kid to understand what angels in my hair is about and what it means to say that we are all surrounded by guardian angels or guides. So we're asking you to really take off your cynical hat on this one, have an open mind and an open heart. There is so much goodness in this episode. It's really a pleasure to welcome Lorna Burns to the breakdown, all the way from Ireland. Break it down. Lorna, welcome to the breakdown. We're very, very eager to talk to you and I have more questions than I think you can answer in a lifetime, but we're so excited

to get to hold some space with you this morning. Well, I'm excited as well to be doing this podcast with you. So I've just asked God and all the angels and all of everything, all that energy, just to come forward, you know, and what would you say every living thing, even the living things that we, well, I would say most human beings don't see or hear. Well, that's a perfect place to start. So you possess an ability that you never thought of as an because it's simply the way you've always seen the world. But can you explain to us what it is that you have an ability to access? I see physically even looking out the window here. You know, I see the trees and the mountains and the wildlife and the cattle. But I see so much more like I am always trying to explain to people or planet every living thing is it's a well energy if that's what we call it. I'm not even quite sure and it's like every single even the grass, you know, here in Ireland we see it as green, 40 shades of green, but I see so many other colours coming from the grass itself. It's just, and of course I see, you know, on occasions the soul of someone, I see the angels, but I see all this physically and to me it's just normal and it's only when someone like yourself asks a question like that, you know, I have been asked question, what can you see in between? And to see the air moving and the wind moving and seeing all the, how would I say, even the pollution in the atmosphere but seeing what comes in, you know, from outside our planet, you know, what comes in from the universe as well, all that light that travels. And at times I've seen sometimes people might call them guides, but I call them angels, you know, traveling on that light as well. Like to me, it's fascinating, but I thought everyone could see all this, you especially when I was very young and the angels would just say, Lorne, you know, say nothing, I had to keep it a secret. And you have to remember, I can't read a such, I am severely dyslexic. So as a child, even as a teenager, even as an adult, and even today, people look on me as, you know, well some of them, not all of them. As what would you say, retarded, she's crazy, she's mad, you know, and I can look at the human body and it becomes translucent. I'm sure you know everything is actually translucent. If you think it isn't, you're missing. And I'm having some doctors interested in to learn how to see the human body in that way. So I am planning in the future, but only for medical doctors to do a workshop for four or five days to help them to learn how to see, because I don't understand why you can see. You know, and I would say to people it's kind of I'm seeing through the spiritual part of me, my soul, through my human eyes, but through every particle of my human body as well. This is only a body at times. I don't understand why humans are the way you are. I find that confusing. I agree. I don't understand how we are the way we are either. I don't understand why mankind, you know, your soul, the spiritual part of you, is pure love. You know, and why we don't show that love to each and every one of us. And yet, we're looking for all of the gifts that you can't buy in

a shop. You have them all. You know, and to me that is because I'm still learning, God and the angels, my guides are still teaching me. You know, I'm still learning so when anyone tells you they know everything, no way. Like this world is fantastic. It's so, so beautiful and human beings. It's like I, I just say to God, you know, why can't I give them a shake and wake them up? Do they not understand how incredible you are? You are capable of the impossible.

And I always remember one scientist saying to me, Lorne, if a scientist ever says to you that

you know something is impossible by the way, Lorne, that's not a scientist then because everything

is possible. And yes, even the stardust that's coming in, you know, you're breathing in Stardust. You know, it's coming into you. Like, it's not incredible. And, you know, we're doing this podcast. What do you think it's traveling on? Light. And your soul is light, is that spark of light of God? You know, your guides, even the souls of loved ones, are light. And they're beautiful. Like, I'm kind of blown away myself, like I always thought. Everybody knew all those things, like when you have a professor or someone coming from Oxford or from highly educated and they turn around and I asked the question you know like surely you know all this and they turn around and say to me, no, we're here to learn.

Like, to me, that's, I, I told people that went to school, secondary school, university, you know, you all of this. And, and to me, it's just normal you have to remember. Yeah, I think that's sort of where we'd love to have you sort of help us sort of frame this. My Mbox breakdown is supported by optimizers. You know, I struggled to get good quality sleep and I just assumed it was stress. But as I learned, during paramanopause and menopause, your hormones shift in a way that affect your magnesium levels. And low magnesium, it makes everything harder, not just sleep, focus, mood, your tolerance for stress. That's why I have added magnesium breakthrough by by optimizers to my nightly routine. It's a blend of seven different forms of magnesium designed to support relaxation and overall sleep quality. Try it. See if you wake up more rested and refreshed. You've got nothing to lose and a lot to gain. Bi optimizers offers a 365 day. No questions asked. Money back guarantee. Magnesium breakthrough is a huge breakthrough to improve hormonal balance, to help with focus, decrease brain fog, improve sleep hygiene overall. Bi optimizers makes it very easy. Jonathan, what do they get when they go to bi optimizers.com slash breaker and use the code breaker? You get 50% off your entire order and a free bottle of massimes. Bioptimizer is best selling digestive enzyme. That'll be added to your order automatically when you use our exclusive code. That's a $20 product free on top of your discount already. This is a limited time offer and while supplies last, you can't get it on Amazon, you can't get it in stores. This offer exists in one place. Our link, our code, that's it. So maybe you were already thinking about it. This is the sign. Go to buyoptimizers.com slash breaker. Use the code breaker, grab it before it's gone. Make 2026 the year, you finally start sleeping again. This episode is sponsored by Wondering Jews and Open Door media brand. If you've ever found yourself feeling like you have more questions than answers, you're

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