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Mayim Bialik's Breakdown

Inside the Hidden World of Secret Societies: Dr. Richard Spence On How They Form & How They're Still Influencing Our Politics

Mayim Bialik's Breakdown

Mayim Bialik

Comedy, Mental Health, Health & Fitness

4.85.9K Ratings

🗓️ 11 November 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

What if secret societies have been controlling the world from the shadows since the dawn of civilization? In this explosive interview of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, Dr. Richard B. Spence — Professor Emeritus of History at the University of Idaho, expert on espionage, secret societies, and occultism, and co-host of the hit podcast Strange As It Seems — pulls back the curtain on the hidden organizations that may have shaped history, politics, and even the founding of the United States itself. Dr. Spence breaks down the benefits of being in a secret society (and why you should care, even if you’d never join one), whether ancient secret orders have influenced the rise and fall of empires, how modern politics is subtly manipulated by groups we don’t even realize exist, and the psychological and mystical appeal that keeps these societies alive. He discusses whether secret societies help dangerous leaders rise to power, including shocking theories around Hitler’s rise, the true definition of "the occult", why many secret orders are accused of Satan worship or dark rituals, the most active and influential secret societies today, and how new ones are forming online in the digital age. Dr. Richard B. Spence also reveals: - Surprising parallels between ancient orders and modern Greek life (fraternities and sororities) - Origins and influence of the Freemasons: were the Founding Fathers truly Freemasons, and what ideals did they embed into this country’s DNA? - How secret societies evolve, and why some are actually designed as self-improvement programs - Why these organizations can become “petri dishes for nefarious actions”, sparking revolutions and even government overthrows - Why these groups have historically been male-dominated, and the surprising stories of female and even child secret societies - How intelligence agencies may manufacture conspiracy theories as tools of psychological warfare - Difference between misinformation vs. disinformation, and how each is weaponized - Are modern day government agencies like the CIA really just secret societies with better branding? - Fine line between secret societies, cults, and religions, and how they manipulate loyalty and belief - Why it’s harder than ever to tell truth from deception, especially in the age of AI-generated misinformation - And finally…could the MAGA movement itself be considered a modern-day cult? This deep dive will make you question everything you thought you knew about power, control, and truth. TUNE IN to MBB to discover why the line between myth, conspiracy, and history might be thinner than you think… Dr. Richard B. Spence’s podcast, Strange As It Seems: https://www.youtube.com/@StrangeAsItSeemsPodcast Subscribe on Substack for Ad-Free Episodes & Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Someone has spent a great deal of time and effort putting this all together with the specific purpose of deceiving you.

0:11.0

Dr. Rick Spence is an expert on secret societies espionage, cults, the occult, the Illuminati,

0:20.0

and how secret societies influence modern politics in ways

0:24.3

that we don't even fully understand.

0:26.3

In the secret society, a group of like-minded people can plot to overthrow the government.

0:32.1

There have been whole revolutions plotted within lodges.

0:40.3

And that's not conspiracy theory. Talk about the CIA.

0:42.3

What's everything about secrecy?

0:45.3

You exist as an agency to protect the secrets of your government

0:50.3

and to acquire the secrets of opposing governments. What I've been told is the founders of this country, many of them were Freemasons.

1:00.0

Is that a sentence that is true?

1:02.0

George Washington was definitely a member. Benjamin Franklin was.

1:06.0

Thomas Jefferson?

1:08.0

The relationship historically between Freemasonry and Catholicism is hostile.

1:13.6

Are we creating a system where no one can trust each other?

1:17.6

If you mention the occult, that immediately leads you to Satan.

1:22.6

But all the term really means is that it's hidden.

1:25.6

It is a system of control.

1:28.7

Are secret society's breeding grounds for training a type of leadership that we should be

1:35.1

afraid of? So...

1:41.3

This episode is brought to you by Oral B.

1:47.3

Working hard for cleaner teeth.

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