This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Batser with my colleague Joseph Sternberg.

Remember they had a Torah board of the Wall Street Journal? He's in London.

He writes political economics. He was many years in Asia and Hong Kong for the Wall

Street Journal editorial page. Very familiar with Asian affairs and Chinese affairs in particular.

We go to an event that happened. We believe somewhere in late 2019, the origin of the COVID-19

now reported in the United States by the Department of Energy, a highly credible source, given

that that runs the national labs, a highly credible source, that they have low probability

that the origin of the virus is a lab leak, was a lab leak. In Wuhan, we can presume.

Now low probability is also what other agencies have towards their conclusion that it was

natural. You can't have higher than low probability unless you can get to China and talk to the

people who were there, examine the buildings and walk it through. That has been forbidden

by the Chinese authorities in large part because, well, Joseph, I go to your thoughts on

this because London and Europe is reporting on the same story. Is it a matter of concern

in these governments or is it time to move on? What are they make of this given that they're

dealing with the same China today as of 2020?

Well, I think Europe's approach to this situation actually sheds some really interesting

light on what's been going on in the US because one thing that I've noticed there for the

past few days is that this story has not resonated in Europe in quite the way that it has

in the US. Now, that doesn't mean that it's irrelevant because I certainly think that

the extent evidence might emerge in the future suggesting that in fact this was a leak from

the lab instead of a natural emerging virus. I think that is going to have very big implications

for a relationship between Europe and China that already is changing in a pretty significant

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