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The Kitchen Cabinet

Liverpool

The Kitchen Cabinet

BBC

Arts, Food

4.6726 Ratings

🗓️ 22 November 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

In celebration of World Children’s Day, Jay Rayner and the panel are at the Academy of St Nicholas in Liverpool answering questions from an audience of pupils and teachers. Joining Jay at his school desk are chefs, cooks and food writers Melissa Thompson, Jordan Bourke and Rob Owen Brown and materials expert Dr Zoe Laughlin.

The panellists share their best salt and pepper chicken recipes, explain why some cheeses melt more than others, and answer the most trying of questions - do you call your evening meal tea or dinner?

Encouraged by the Head of Design and Technology, Katie Bell, the students receive helpful tips and recipes from the panel for their upcoming cookery exams.

World Children’s Day has been honoured every year since 1954 and is aimed at improving children's welfare.

Panel: Rob Owen Brown, Dr Zoe Laughlin, Melissa Thompson, Jordan Bourke

A Somethin' Else production for BBC Radio 4

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:07.0

Hello, I'm Emma Barnett. For most of my career, I've been on live radio, and I love it.

0:13.3

But I've always wondered, what if we'd had more time? How much deeper does the story go?

0:19.2

I remember having this very sharp thought that what you do right now, this is it.

0:24.3

This defines your life.

0:26.0

I'm ready to talk and ready to listen.

0:28.3

I'm insulted by how little the medical community is ever bothered with this.

0:33.9

Ready to talk with me, Emma Barnard, is my new podcast.

0:37.0

Listen on BBC Sounds.

0:38.8

Hello and welcome to the Kitchen Cabinet. This week we're celebrating World Children's Day,

0:43.1

which has been going since 1954 and is aimed at improving children's welfare. And what better

0:48.1

way to improve the welfare of children, or their stomachs anyway, than to come to the Academy of

0:52.9

St Nicholas in Liverpool,

0:59.1

where a school hall full of pupils and teachers, are ready to ask a panel of experts, everything they ever wanted to know about food, but were afraid to ask.

1:02.8

Determined to celebrate the joys of pure knowledge are a team of food writers and chefs,

1:07.4

Melissa Thompson, Jordan Burke, and from Cheshire Rob Owen Brown, and with them,

1:11.6

an academic who is every Incher teacher's pet, materials expert, Dr. Zoe Laughlin.

1:16.5

Sir Nicholas Academy, everyone at home, it's your kitchen cabinet panel.

1:24.1

Excellent stuff. For last year's World Children's Day, we recorded the program with a classroom full of six-year-olds in Whitechapel, London, which was great fun, mainly because the panel got to talk about the world's spiciest curry, big cakes, and food that makes them fart.

1:37.3

Today's audience is older, so we've got to be a little bit more sensible. I'm looking at you, Rob.

1:42.0

The Academy of St. Nicholas is a secondary school, so every question comes from a young person aged 11 and up. Right, people. Any question is good question. We want you to ask us anything. So let's take our first question from Stevie. Do you have gravy or curry on your chips?

1:58.2

Right. So we're getting into the serious stuff right from the start. Rob, I'm going to come to you first. Is this chips and gravy eating now, or is this chips and gravy wrapped up, taken away? I'd say eaten now. Eating now? Chips and gravy all day. Melissa, do you have a view? I do have a view. Up until about the age of 20, I didn't know that people had curry sauce or gravy on their chips. I come from Weymouth in Dorset on the South Coast. And for me, it was always chips, cheese and beans. That was a Waymouth speciality. I mean, you're shaking your head, Stevie. It's so tasty. But nowadays, now that the joys of curry sauce has been introduced to me, I go for curry sauce. Zoe Loughlin. I'd actually choose baked beans as well, but with only the choice of the two, I'm going gravy. And if it's standing in the street, I want the gravy, a little pot on the side, and I'm sharing it between my friends. Okay. Jordan, I want to separate two things out. You grew up in Ireland. What was the default in Ireland?

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