Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, St.S. Nation?

Welcome to a very special episode of Surviving the Survivor.

It is a podcast that brings you the very best guests in all of true crime.

And as you can tell, I'm not in a studio in the global headquarters,

rather in Philadelphia, where it is always shady.

It is always shady in Philadelphia.

Tomorrow morning, after 14 years,

Josh and Sandy Greenberg head into court here in the city of Philadelphia. The courthouse is actually in City Hall, which is a beautiful older building, and I am literally a half block away proceedings begin at

9 a.m. with jury selection. And so what I decided to do today in light of everything that's

gone on this weekend and the headline this weekend is that after 14 years, one of the people named in the civil lawsuit,

which is why there's going to be a jury trial, one of the people named as a defendant in

this particular lawsuit is Dr. Marlon Osborne, and he was a medical examiner at the time,

working underneath a guy named Dr. Sam Galino, his boss,

who is also named in this civil suit.

And, excuse me, in the 11th hour uh basically yesterday maybe the 13th hour if you want to be uh

you know more accurate uh dr marlin osborne sent what's known as a verification letter uh to an attorney

which is now a public court record, essentially saying

he does not think any longer that this is an unaliving. He used the yes word. On YouTube,

we have to say unaliving. So after 14 years, he initially ruled this a homicide.

Then for a very short time went to undetermined.

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